I have my first private lesson today!! Very sound and accessible advice. Thank you. I look forward to what this journey opens doors. And hearing more of your coaching
Thank you so much for the advice. Would you suggest bringing candles? Also would you use their sound system using an aux cable or would you bring your own speaker to use with your phone music?
Hi Erin! You are most welcome 🙂 I don’t recommend bringing candles until you know the client well, and are sure they will appreciate it! I usually have an aux cable with me, so I have that as an option. I don’t bring speakers, but you could if you wanted to. The speakers on the iPhone are pretty good in an emergency.
Wonderful everyone! I am so glad you are enjoying the series so far! Please give this a shot in your teaching, and then come back here to tell us how it feels for you.
XO
Thanks for sharing! Great tip. Perfect way to start a session. Do you start the practice straight away, or leave time for a quick ‘catch-up’ before hand? I often start the practice, but then ask how they are, whats going on etc, at appropriate times during our session. What do you think??
You are welcome lovely Cora 🙂 It depends on the client, but I usually try to do a quick catch up in the beginning. You will find that some people do not like talking at all, and with them you need to get into their bodies to find out what is going on. If you can do a quick check in at the beginning though, that will really inform the kind of lesson you craft.
What a lovely tip Francesca! I never really thought about the details before. It is brilliant to set up the expectations right away. It puts the student at ease, and simplifies the transition into the work.
I am so happy and exited for you and all the great work you are doing. Thank you for sharing! I look forward to learning more from you soon.
Well said, Francesca: I agree with you 100%. As you said, as soon as I walk in, I take control and set up the arrangement. I neither ask for water nor do I use their bathroom. I ask them as to how they are feeling? My sequencing and class is based on their reply since I customize each class based on the student. I carry water in my car and take a sip once I get back into my car.
I love this- clear & concise. I can definitely see how this can set the tone for a professional-feeling and meaningful private yoga experience.
Cora, great question! I am curious as to what Francesca says. I usually just ask if anything new is going on with the body before the session starts- anything new? Old injuries flaring up? Etc, and then when the practice is over there is a natural space to talk about anything else that may be coming up for them as they deepen their practices and integrate them into their lives.
What do you think?
As I said in response to Cora’s question– If you can, it is better to do a quick catch up before the physical practice starts so that you can create a lesson that meets ALL their needs– physical, emotional, and spiritual. Sometimes a quick, “How was your weekend?” can give you all kinds of information about the kind of dharma theme that will be most useful in that moment. Great question Jessica!
Thank you so much Francesca. This is the kind of practical information that helps bridge the gap between the spirit of yoga and the practice of teaching it. (And there really is no gap, except in our own perceptions, I know) This is great. So glad I signed up for it.
Yes yes, you are so welcome! And there may not be a gap– but there is a true difference between having your own spiritual practice, and assisting someone else on their path. Imparting information in a way that is accessible is a totally different skill set, right?
Love the tip on setting the agenda. I used this method today and found it helped as 1) the student feel secure 2) my role was clearly defined 3) helped me clearly plan out what I was going to do and not feel lost or wishy washy!
Love it… I have been doing this for years with my one client that I see in her home….and even the ones I see in my studio. I never though of it this way. You are so clever. This is very affirming. 🙂 Looking forward to our interview 🙂
Namaste,
Sarita
Thank you so much Sarita! It is so great to do all these things (that may seem a little obvious once you think about it) with intention. I think it really deepens the offering. Your clients are so lucky to have you. <3
Francesca,
Thank you for this tip! Simple, clear and to the point. I am about to start my first private class and I never would have even thought about this! I can see that it will make a huge difference!
This is very helpful Francesca. Thank you. I don’t have any private clients at the moment, I taught one private client as a substitute for a few weeks, but I’d like to start building a private yoga teaching practice in addition to teaching group classes. So I’m trying to get as much info as I can. Looking forward to video #2!
You are so so welcome! Be sure to check in with me, and let me know other ways I can support you or questions I could answer with my writing. (I will be writing blog posts more regularly soon!!)
Hi thank you for this, a really important tip, I love this idea of creating and holding their space with my energy. I’m a student teacher studying in the UK and teach small group classes but would like to teach privately as well. I’m looking forward to learning more.
I LOVE the idea of the “container” it gives a very intimate feel to the space that we set up for out students. I’ll be thinking of that word as I create the space at my next in-home private class with my students.
I’ve been teaching group yoga for a few years now and i just recently started teaching private lessons. This is some really great information that i can use.
Thank you so much for sharing!! 🙂
Oh, you are most welcome Jan! Tell us…where are you teaching? What other challenges are coming up for you that you might like for me to write about in my blog?
I watched this video before holding my first private group session for a group of dressage riders. It was SO helpful. I’m a newly minted teacher (Kripalu – August) and I’m finding that I really enjoy working with smaller groups and one-on-one. I’m working with non-profit staff as well – in small groups, and this has come in handy with that as well. The idea of creating space with my energy makes so much sense. Thank you.
Thanks so much for sharing Tara! I know Kripalu has a strong focus on creating a unique practice for each individual, so I am sure you are well prepared to teach small groups and private sessions. Stay in touch and let me know what else you would like to see on the blog. <3
Thank you so much for the great tip. As a former professional organizer, I love the concept of creating a contained space. I’m a new yoga teacher who teaches group classes and would like to build more private clients (one so far!), so I think you are providing a much-needed service. Thanks so much again.
I have been teaching classes for five years and one private lesson, on and off. I’m beginning my journey towards teaching more private lessons and am finding your knowledge, warmth, and graciousness inspiring.
I always get the question as to why I don’t use music. Personally, it is because music brings up emotion and not everyone likes the same music. Also, we constantly have sounds around us and I just want a little more space to quiet the mind. My question is: do your clients decide if they want music or do you teach what you prefer?
Thank you for offering this site and information to all of us.
Peace. http://www.purpleroseyoga.com (my URL would not complete on here 🙂
Hi there Annette! It is really nice to virtually meet you. 🙂 I sometimes use music as a tool if I find that it helps a client focus inward. I stay {far} away from pop music, or really any music with English words, because I agree with you completely– music can bring up unexpected emotion. I don’t think it is fair to a student to bring something like that in to their class experience. Some students find gentle, soft music to helps them to settle, and if so, I am totally open using it with them. Here are some artists that I like a lot:
Benjy Wertheimer {album One River}
Kevin Courtney {The Brooklyn Sessions}
Masood Ali Kahn {The Yoga Sessions}
Wah {The Best of Wah}
If you try teaching a class with music, let us know how it goes!
I have personal training clients that I meet in a small community fitness center and wondered if it would ever be appropriate to do a private yoga session in that setting. Clearly the answer is, “Yes!” I already set up a mat in the corner for those clients who can get on the floor, identifying and creating the space, but henceforth will be more articulate up front about the general plan. Gratitude for your clear and simple suggestions!
That is fantastic Linda! Yes, you can bring the yoga to them, and meet them where they are, right? You are so welcome and gratitude to YOU for being a part of this community!
Thanks Francesca, definitely something I’ve already been doing but good to know I am on track. Can’t wait to hear more. Privates can definitely be a challenge, but they keep coming my way so I need to hone in on the skill of teaching one on one. Namaste
I teach in the Portland Maine area. My home studio is Greener Postures but I teach at a women’s rehab center in Windham, ME, a school in Saco, where I teach a group of teachers after school on Tuesdays. Then I have one on one privates. Tomorrow I teach a women who is suffering with Lyme disease and it is only my second time with her, so it’s just getting the relationship going and getting rid of any awkwardness. I’m really working with pranayama with her as she seems a little nervous.
Francesca Cervero
That sounds challenging Sandy, and I am sure you will be able to help her so much. It is your warm and grounded energy that will help her feel more comfortable!
I really loved the simplicity of the message of this video! I am a new yoga teacher, coming in from a personal training and dance background. I have one private client right now, and she comes to my home (where the space is already in place for yoga to take place!). I am definitely leaning more toward private clients over public classes. Thank you so much for your offering!!!
This way of ‘taking control’ works both in their home/office/hotel as well as in my studio when I meet a private client there. Thanks for the important reminder about this part of the session.
Thank you, Francesca, for this simple, and powerful, tip! This immediately sets the tone and relationship with a client, and gives the message that they can trust you, therefore putting them at ease, right from the start.
A simple, beautifully smart tip! Thank you.
I’ve just started teaching a couple of beginner’s yoga classes – group classes for my community. I’m in rural Maine and have been teaching Zumba here for 3 years – mostly to the “Gold” market, or low impact students. Many of my new yoga students are directly from that pool. Others know me from other aspects of community life. I LOVE teaching beginners for the way it opens worlds to them or brings them back to some aspect of themselves they’ve been neglecting. I think the yoga is going to do the same for this audience. They seem hooked pretty quick. I have, however, also noted that I have a handful of older students with recent knee and hip replacements who really struggle with getting up and down from the floor. I am adapting for them in the group setting, but have begun to suggest a “private” class with two or three of them where we can work further with their restrictions in mind. Your training came to my attention this week and I got curious about this angle for me as I progress, as well as noting how you draw from Cyndi Lee, whose work I really love.
Looking forward to learning more. I can’t make your training here in Maine this March; I do hope you’ll be back.
Thanks so much for introducing yourself Antonia. It sounds like you are totally on the right path. Group class students who are “hooked” but would benefit greatly from a little more personal attention are a fantastic pool from which to find your first private clients. I am sad you won’t be able to join our training this March! <3
Wonderful tip, Francesca!
I am newly certified (August 2013) and am focusing on therapeutic yoga, currently teaching a class for cancer patients and working on offerings to those (like myself) with autoimmune issues. I also teach several restorative classes weekly and have several private skype clients, hoping to build my one:one clientele. I can see how this bringing of my energy and setting the tone with gentle instruction before the sessions even begin can be beneficial. I can not wait for more tips! thank you so very much.
You are so very welcome Renee. It sounds like you already have quite a budding practice. Good for you! And thank you for the important work you are doing in the world. <3
Great tip – really succinct – & so useful! I’d be really interested to know how you move your student into the yoga practice if they really want to ‘chat’ at length with you when you arrive – about what’s going on in their lives at that moment?! I guess it’s just about ‘taking control’ at the outset – obviously in a kind nurturing way..
I’m so glad you found it helpful Gail! You are right, to move students into the practice quickly requires you (sweetly and lovingly) take the reins. I do have some specific techniques I use. I think I’ll write a blog post about, so everyone can benefit from the answer! Thanks for your great question.
Thank you for the great tip! I look forward to these classes helping me get started in private yoga instructing. I’ve worked home health in the medical field for 20 years, but I’m finding yoga to be completely different. In a good way! Even more therapeutic than physical therapy. Thank you!
Very helpful i’m looking forward to all the help you can give, thank you for sharing your passion and wisdom. I’m a newly certified instructor and have several people asking for private lessons not sure how but I am up for the challenge, yoga has helped me in so many ways
Hi Francesca, funny how things turn up just when you need them. Just today I got a booking for my first private lesson and your interview on Elephant Journal turned up on my Facebook page. Don’t you love it?
A question, are all your private lessons at the clients premises. I have a small room, that I do my yoga in. I thought I would invite them here or is that not the idea with a private class?
I love what you are doing?
Karen
That is fantastic Karen, I am also so glad you found me! I do teach most of my clients in their home and office, but that is certainly not the only option. If you have a nice space for people to come to, and those boundaries feel clear to you, I say go for it! XO
A great reminder that we must create and hold space for our students no matter where we’re interacting with them – studio, home, gym! We as teachers set the tone. This video has helped take the intimidation factor out of teaching private sessions. Thank you!
Oh great! You are most welcome. One of the most important things you can do is acknowledge for yourself that a private session makes both the student, and you the teacher, very vulnerable and hold space for yourself as well. <3
I do private and semi-private classes in my own home but this video was helpful because I’m a soft spoken and a little timid. Some of my students are quite the opposite! This is a good reminder to take the reins- it’s OK to be in charge and assertive. I have a session this afternoon, I’ll put these tips to good use! Thanks for offering these videos!
Allison
This was really great advice! What a great way for a student’s yoga practice to begin knowing that they’re taken care of right away. Such a great way to set the student at ease, especially for new students. And SO easy for the teacher to do. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for your tip Francesca!! I have one private client (I teach at her house) but looking to build this part of my business. I can see how setting the tone and being clear from the get go would be helpful. I will try it next week
Hi, I have been teaching privately for about one year and found your comments useful. I am have the opportunity to expand my client base but have been apprehensive in how to create an yoga atmosphere in places that I am not familiar with. Your suggestions give me ideas to set up a structure I can follow wherever I am teaching. Thank you so much!
Thx for your video Francesca. I found it very helpful and reaffirming. I have a beautiful new yoga room in my home that can very comfortably hold 3 students plus myself. I am hoping to invite more of my clients here, because it saves me time and money, plus my supplies are already here. My question is, how do I get past the occasional awkwardness of having a male client in my home? Even if my husband or son is at home, but in another part of the house, I’m concerned that it might feel a little awkward to be in a room alone. I’m sure you’ve dealt with this before. What are your suggestions regarding safety, awkwardness, etc.? My first male client is coming this week, and he is bringing his wife with me, and she is going to participate in the lesson. Which is totally fine with me, and may create more of a long-term relationship than if it was just the male client. But what if the spouse doesn’t come along, or no one else is home but me? I only take clients that have been referred by someone else I know. thanks!
Hi Susan! Thanks so much for reaching out and being an active member of our community here! This is a great question, and you are not alone in being curious about this. For starters. I wrote a blog post about staying safe when going to a new client’s home. Check that out here: http://fcyw.wpengine.com/safety/ Your situation is a little different however, because you are teaching in your own home, and you are only taking referrals. {You have an ideal set up, I think!} You can rest assured that you are safe and deal with the awkwardness by…not letting it be awkward! Know that this work requires deep vulnerability of us {the teacher} and hold space for your own feelings there. Then take a strong and confident seat as the teacher, and focus on making your student feel comfortable. I think the second training video will give you some more tips on this. 🙂
Hi Francesca, the blog post you suggested is very helpful. My first session with the client and his wife went well. When they arrived I could see that they both felt a little nervous/awkward, since yoga is new for both of them. I tried to be confident, add a little humor, and explain what they could expect throughout the session. I think the teacher having confidence through out the process is key, but it is a little hard to always have this when private sessions are still a relatively new experience.
Francesca Cervero
I am so glad to hear your first session went well! I totally hear you…it is hard to feel confident when teaching 1×1 is such a new experience. The other thing you are feeling here is the intense vulnerability of being a private yoga teacher, and that never really goes away. Nervousness and vulnerability are all a part of it, and as long as you stay connected to your own experience and keep yourself grounded, you will be able to offer your deepest teachings with clarity, even if you are nervous. 🙂
Stefania
Very helpful! Thank you. Sometimes it can feel a bit awkward entering someone else’s home and dictate where they should move furniture or should sit, but I agree it is reassuring for the clients to know we are taking charge and want to take good care of them by creating a safe and comfortable space for their practice.
You are really welcome Stefania! And yes, it can definitely be an awkward situation to take the lead in someone else’s home, but if you do it in a really sweet and warm way, that usually lands pretty well. 🙂
Thank you for sharing the gift of your knowledge and experience. I look forward to trying your tip out soon. I’m just getting started as a yoga instructor.
Thank you for these simple yet very wise words. I will be teaching some privates in new spaces soon and I look forward to trying this out and having it help me in making the sessions work smoothly and clients fell comfortable and happy from the beginning.
Thank you for your tips on how to “be” in an unfamiliar space Francesca. The parts that stood out to me the most were: “it’s my job to take care of the client, not their job to take care of me” and also “taking the reigns”. Very helpful 🙂 Theresa
I teach mostly at the local ymca…. subbed at yoga studios for friends and some outside venues for special vents….weekend workshops…etc. But these are groups… and I do a generic practice for all levels. I want to work one on one (that is my goal)… do you meet and talk to people first and then show up at their home, or do you just show up for first session and talk and find out what THEY want? restorative? more vigorous? all breathing? and then go from there? just curious of the actual “getting started” with ‘one on one’. Will your other videos cover other specifics? (like how to handle the money $$$ situation… always seems awkward) even for the groups that I work with. Looking forward to more of your suggestions (even though I’ve been doing yoga for 40 years and teaching for almost 20!) Thank you.
Hi Debbie! I am so happy to have you as a part of my community here! I certainly talk about all of those things. I think you will find many helpful resources on my blog. Here and here are two that will be great to get you started. That blog about money is a three part series, so make sure you read all three parts. Looking forward to staying in touch!
This video is very helpful. I am just starting out with a niche yoga offering, and knowing how to set up sacred space anywhere is key for me and my practice. I hope to get private clients as well as a class. Both will surely happen in a space other than a yoga studio (since I don’t own a studio). Thank you for your advice! Blessings and Namaste!
I love the part to have YOU set up the space, so they know you are there for them. Creating the space……….I have taught numerous times in group classes where only 1 or 2 showed and I realized how much I would prefer to teach privates. I have had only 1 actual paying private client and we set up space together, it worked fine, but I like your idea better! Looking forward to learning more about how to go about changing over from group sessions to all, or mostly, privates. Thank you!
Thank you so much Francesca for such a simple yet, meaningful tip. This gives an insight into so many nuances we may neglect. Looking forward to my first private teaching tomorrow
Thank you for this informative video -I like “create the space/container.” I’m a newbie teaching private class, but I think is how I want to share yoga. Looking forward to the next video.
I love this! You so succinctly articulated something that I realize I’ve gradually figured out with private teaching — how crucial it is to give enough information, in a calm and friendly way, that the student feels comfortable with what to expect. I will definitely use this next week when I start with a new client!
This video made me realize that I’ve also gotten better at “setting the agenda” for accidental privates (when only one person shows up in what was supposed to be a group class), and these often turn out to feel very fulfilling. (They used to feel awkward, when I was a newer teacher and didn’t quite know how to make the shift to teaching just one person.)
When only one person turns up to class and the start time arrives, I center myself, and go into the studio with a smile and enthusiasm. “It turns out it’s just you and me, today, (name)! I actually really love teaching one-on-one. Have you ever had a private yoga class?” (We might talk about their answer, and I often ask a couple getting-to-know-you questions, if it’s someone who’s not a regular. Or deeper questions if it is a regular. Like, what their practice is like, or how their day has been so far. I like to build some rapport and let them feel that I’m there for THEM, as a person, not just a body.)
Then I set the agenda with something like, “When I work with private clients, it’s often to address a particular physical condition, or dive into the aspect of the practice that’s most relevant to them. For today, we could sort of do this two ways. 1. If there’s a particular body part that’s calling out to you, or a burning question you’ve been working with in your practice, we can take this opportunity to really dive into that. Or, 2. if you just want to sink into your practice, I can teach the class I had planned, and you can come into your own body, even close your eyes, experience the practice, and just feel a little more free than usual to stop me and ask a question if anything comes up.”
Sometimes people choose option 1, and we do nerdy neck alignment or break down chaturanga or work on low back pain. Sometimes they choose option 2 and decide to ask a question, or I notice something and ask a question that opens up a conversation. Or sometimes they choose option 2 and I can tell what they want is to be in their practice without any conversation at all, and that’s what I hold space for. I am happy teaching all of the above, and I really think setting the agenda, as you identified here, is what allows the student to get what they need from the practice on that particular day.
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us, Francesca. I learn so much from you 🙂
When you have a new private client, do you allot additional time to talk/create space? I have an appointment with a new private student and I’ve never met her before since her Mom has arranged for me to teach her. Thank you! I am so enjoying your podcast!
Hi LJ! I’m glad you are enjoying the podcast! I don’t usually schedule a longer session for the first one/ intake, but I know many people do. I teach 75 minute sessions and when we
meet for the first time I’ll plan to talk for about 20-25 minutes and hear about their history and what are looking to get out of their yoga practice. We still have plenty of time to move and get into the body! This blog post offers a framework for a first private session that you may find helpful! https://www.francescacervero.com/first-session-private-yoga-student/
Don’t hesitate to reach out with more questions. <3
I currently teach in a busy loud gym which can be challenging. Talking over their music and all the banging of weights and loud grunts is definitely a challenge for sure. They have agreed to turn the music down so I have the opportunity to play some beautiful relaxing music in the beginning and in shavasana. And of late some of the ladies in the gym are reminding the heavy lifters that there is a yoga class going on which is also helping. We are slowing creating our little sanctuary. Thank you for your suggestions. Namaste
Thank you for sharing your challenge, Mavis. I’m proud of you for working with the challenges and making the best of it. And I’m really proud of the class for reminding the “heavy lifters” to quiet down. It certainly proves that they are enjoying your class. Bravo to you!
I have a private studio at my house . It is a full blown studio. I am finding it hard to kept my privates to one hour sessions… Any suggestion?
Thank You
That is awesome Yolanda! I have a teaching space in my home, but it is teeeeny tiny. 🙂 When I used to teach most of my clients twice a week, keeping to 60 minutes was easy. When I left NYC for DC and saw most of my clients only once a week I really struggled to keep my sessions to a clean 60 minutes, so I switched to 75 minute sessions and I LOVE it. Also– here is a classic post I wrote about chatting in a private session– if that is an edge for you you may find it helpful. xoxo
This was extremely helpful. I am in the process of converting all of my class clients to privates and allowing another instructor to handle to group classes.
This was so helpful, thank you! I am looking to offer my first private to a dear friend who’s never practiced, knowing it’ll be new for both of us. I finished my 200 in April and am 100 hours into my 300 but have never taught. Eeek! So I thought this might be a good place to start. Thanks so much for offering your experience as a guide…I’m so glad it found your website! xo Michelle
Yay Michelle! I’m so happy to have you as a part of our community here! Good luck with your first private lesson and be sure to check in and let us know how it goes. <3
Nice tip! Although I kind of do this anyway it was nice to hear it clearly how you expressed it. It helped to be more confident with how you can hold space. <3
So helpful! I have a private session next week, first one with this client and only my second one overall, and am quite nervous though excited.. definitely making my way through all of your supports today.
Thank you for sharing your insight!!
This is such a good question, and very relevant right now! There are many more things about our student’s practice space that we aren’t able to control when we are teaching online and that can feel hard. The first thing to do is to make sure we are taken care of, and our space looks grounded and clean. Something as simple as making sure our computer is plugged in is important because we don’t want to have to pause in the middle of class to go get our charger. I think always being in roughly the same place is kind of nice. I once worked with a teacher who was always in a different hotel room for our sessions and I found it a little destabilizing actually. I could tell the computer was on a bed and it bounced when she moved and it was just not super professional in my eyes. I also think we can use a similar “agenda setting” technique in the online space, even if the content is a little different. Especially when we are working with a new student we might say, “okay first, let’s make sure the computer is set up somewhere I can see you well, and then you can have a seat so we can chat a bit, and then we can decide how we want to open your practice and we’ll get you set up for that.” Does that all make sense?
Thank you for this! Very helpful! 🙂
Thank you! This is exactly what I need!
You are so welcome! I am so happy it was helpful!
I have my first private lesson today!! Very sound and accessible advice. Thank you. I look forward to what this journey opens doors. And hearing more of your coaching
That’s perfect timing! Let me know how it goes and what questions come up for you. 🙂
Your 1st video reaffirmed my approach of private yoga session with a client.
That is wonderful to hear Dipti!Sending lots of love your way. <3
Great tip, Francesca! So simple, yet so meaningful.
You are so welcome Jen and Stefani! I am glad you found it helpful. Let me know how it feels when you try it in your teaching!
Thank you so much for the advice. Would you suggest bringing candles? Also would you use their sound system using an aux cable or would you bring your own speaker to use with your phone music?
Hi Erin! You are most welcome 🙂 I don’t recommend bringing candles until you know the client well, and are sure they will appreciate it! I usually have an aux cable with me, so I have that as an option. I don’t bring speakers, but you could if you wanted to. The speakers on the iPhone are pretty good in an emergency.
Beautifully said Francesca! Thank you
So logical! No wonder you have as many private clients as you do. Thanks for the tip.
Thanks Francesca! I will certainly keep these valuable tips in mind when teaching classes.
Thank you Francesca! So professional and clear. It is really lovely of you to share these snippets!
Wonderful everyone! I am so glad you are enjoying the series so far! Please give this a shot in your teaching, and then come back here to tell us how it feels for you.
XO
Thanks for sharing! Great tip. Perfect way to start a session. Do you start the practice straight away, or leave time for a quick ‘catch-up’ before hand? I often start the practice, but then ask how they are, whats going on etc, at appropriate times during our session. What do you think??
You are welcome lovely Cora 🙂 It depends on the client, but I usually try to do a quick catch up in the beginning. You will find that some people do not like talking at all, and with them you need to get into their bodies to find out what is going on. If you can do a quick check in at the beginning though, that will really inform the kind of lesson you craft.
What a lovely tip Francesca! I never really thought about the details before. It is brilliant to set up the expectations right away. It puts the student at ease, and simplifies the transition into the work.
I am so happy and exited for you and all the great work you are doing. Thank you for sharing! I look forward to learning more from you soon.
Nice, I like that. Thank you
Well said, Francesca: I agree with you 100%. As you said, as soon as I walk in, I take control and set up the arrangement. I neither ask for water nor do I use their bathroom. I ask them as to how they are feeling? My sequencing and class is based on their reply since I customize each class based on the student. I carry water in my car and take a sip once I get back into my car.
Don’t forget to take care of yourself too Shree! It is totally fine to bring your water in with you 🙂
I love this- clear & concise. I can definitely see how this can set the tone for a professional-feeling and meaningful private yoga experience.
Cora, great question! I am curious as to what Francesca says. I usually just ask if anything new is going on with the body before the session starts- anything new? Old injuries flaring up? Etc, and then when the practice is over there is a natural space to talk about anything else that may be coming up for them as they deepen their practices and integrate them into their lives.
What do you think?
As I said in response to Cora’s question– If you can, it is better to do a quick catch up before the physical practice starts so that you can create a lesson that meets ALL their needs– physical, emotional, and spiritual. Sometimes a quick, “How was your weekend?” can give you all kinds of information about the kind of dharma theme that will be most useful in that moment. Great question Jessica!
Thank you so much Francesca. This is the kind of practical information that helps bridge the gap between the spirit of yoga and the practice of teaching it. (And there really is no gap, except in our own perceptions, I know) This is great. So glad I signed up for it.
Yes yes, you are so welcome! And there may not be a gap– but there is a true difference between having your own spiritual practice, and assisting someone else on their path. Imparting information in a way that is accessible is a totally different skill set, right?
Love the tip on setting the agenda. I used this method today and found it helped as 1) the student feel secure 2) my role was clearly defined 3) helped me clearly plan out what I was going to do and not feel lost or wishy washy!
It’s a good one, right?? It is so simple, but really does have a serious impact.
Love it… I have been doing this for years with my one client that I see in her home….and even the ones I see in my studio. I never though of it this way. You are so clever. This is very affirming. 🙂 Looking forward to our interview 🙂
Namaste,
Sarita
Thank you so much Sarita! It is so great to do all these things (that may seem a little obvious once you think about it) with intention. I think it really deepens the offering. Your clients are so lucky to have you. <3
Francesca,
Thank you for this tip! Simple, clear and to the point. I am about to start my first private class and I never would have even thought about this! I can see that it will make a huge difference!
You are so welcome Fernanda! Be sure to let us know how the first class goes!
This is very helpful Francesca. Thank you. I don’t have any private clients at the moment, I taught one private client as a substitute for a few weeks, but I’d like to start building a private yoga teaching practice in addition to teaching group classes. So I’m trying to get as much info as I can. Looking forward to video #2!
You are so so welcome! Be sure to check in with me, and let me know other ways I can support you or questions I could answer with my writing. (I will be writing blog posts more regularly soon!!)
Great reminder to help design the relationship
Thanks Takeyah! I love that language “design the relationship”. I’m going to use that in my trainings 🙂
Hi thank you for this, a really important tip, I love this idea of creating and holding their space with my energy. I’m a student teacher studying in the UK and teach small group classes but would like to teach privately as well. I’m looking forward to learning more.
Awesome Gilly!I am so glad you are finding this helpful. Let me know how the other two training videos land for you!
I LOVE the idea of the “container” it gives a very intimate feel to the space that we set up for out students. I’ll be thinking of that word as I create the space at my next in-home private class with my students.
Oh, lovely! I like to think of “container” as a nice, soft word for structure, which something we all need to feel safe, right?
XO
I’ve been teaching group yoga for a few years now and i just recently started teaching private lessons. This is some really great information that i can use.
Thank you so much for sharing!! 🙂
Oh, you are most welcome Jan! Tell us…where are you teaching? What other challenges are coming up for you that you might like for me to write about in my blog?
I watched this video before holding my first private group session for a group of dressage riders. It was SO helpful. I’m a newly minted teacher (Kripalu – August) and I’m finding that I really enjoy working with smaller groups and one-on-one. I’m working with non-profit staff as well – in small groups, and this has come in handy with that as well. The idea of creating space with my energy makes so much sense. Thank you.
Thanks so much for sharing Tara! I know Kripalu has a strong focus on creating a unique practice for each individual, so I am sure you are well prepared to teach small groups and private sessions. Stay in touch and let me know what else you would like to see on the blog. <3
Thank you so much for the great tip. As a former professional organizer, I love the concept of creating a contained space. I’m a new yoga teacher who teaches group classes and would like to build more private clients (one so far!), so I think you are providing a much-needed service. Thanks so much again.
I have been teaching classes for five years and one private lesson, on and off. I’m beginning my journey towards teaching more private lessons and am finding your knowledge, warmth, and graciousness inspiring.
I always get the question as to why I don’t use music. Personally, it is because music brings up emotion and not everyone likes the same music. Also, we constantly have sounds around us and I just want a little more space to quiet the mind. My question is: do your clients decide if they want music or do you teach what you prefer?
Thank you for offering this site and information to all of us.
Peace.
http://www.purpleroseyoga.com (my URL would not complete on here 🙂
Hi there Annette! It is really nice to virtually meet you. 🙂 I sometimes use music as a tool if I find that it helps a client focus inward. I stay {far} away from pop music, or really any music with English words, because I agree with you completely– music can bring up unexpected emotion. I don’t think it is fair to a student to bring something like that in to their class experience. Some students find gentle, soft music to helps them to settle, and if so, I am totally open using it with them. Here are some artists that I like a lot:
Benjy Wertheimer {album One River}
Kevin Courtney {The Brooklyn Sessions}
Masood Ali Kahn {The Yoga Sessions}
Wah {The Best of Wah}
If you try teaching a class with music, let us know how it goes!
I have personal training clients that I meet in a small community fitness center and wondered if it would ever be appropriate to do a private yoga session in that setting. Clearly the answer is, “Yes!” I already set up a mat in the corner for those clients who can get on the floor, identifying and creating the space, but henceforth will be more articulate up front about the general plan. Gratitude for your clear and simple suggestions!
That is fantastic Linda! Yes, you can bring the yoga to them, and meet them where they are, right? You are so welcome and gratitude to YOU for being a part of this community!
Thanks Francesca, definitely something I’ve already been doing but good to know I am on track. Can’t wait to hear more. Privates can definitely be a challenge, but they keep coming my way so I need to hone in on the skill of teaching one on one. Namaste
That’s great! I always love meeting fellow sisters on the path. Where are you teaching?
I teach in the Portland Maine area. My home studio is Greener Postures but I teach at a women’s rehab center in Windham, ME, a school in Saco, where I teach a group of teachers after school on Tuesdays. Then I have one on one privates. Tomorrow I teach a women who is suffering with Lyme disease and it is only my second time with her, so it’s just getting the relationship going and getting rid of any awkwardness. I’m really working with pranayama with her as she seems a little nervous.
That sounds challenging Sandy, and I am sure you will be able to help her so much. It is your warm and grounded energy that will help her feel more comfortable!
I really loved the simplicity of the message of this video! I am a new yoga teacher, coming in from a personal training and dance background. I have one private client right now, and she comes to my home (where the space is already in place for yoga to take place!). I am definitely leaning more toward private clients over public classes. Thank you so much for your offering!!!
Oh, that’s fantastic Sylvie. Stay in touch and let me know how I can support you on your path! Love to you…
This way of ‘taking control’ works both in their home/office/hotel as well as in my studio when I meet a private client there. Thanks for the important reminder about this part of the session.
Yes, you are so right Erica!
Thank you, Francesca, for this simple, and powerful, tip! This immediately sets the tone and relationship with a client, and gives the message that they can trust you, therefore putting them at ease, right from the start.
Exactly Nicole!
A simple, beautifully smart tip! Thank you.
I’ve just started teaching a couple of beginner’s yoga classes – group classes for my community. I’m in rural Maine and have been teaching Zumba here for 3 years – mostly to the “Gold” market, or low impact students. Many of my new yoga students are directly from that pool. Others know me from other aspects of community life. I LOVE teaching beginners for the way it opens worlds to them or brings them back to some aspect of themselves they’ve been neglecting. I think the yoga is going to do the same for this audience. They seem hooked pretty quick. I have, however, also noted that I have a handful of older students with recent knee and hip replacements who really struggle with getting up and down from the floor. I am adapting for them in the group setting, but have begun to suggest a “private” class with two or three of them where we can work further with their restrictions in mind. Your training came to my attention this week and I got curious about this angle for me as I progress, as well as noting how you draw from Cyndi Lee, whose work I really love.
Looking forward to learning more. I can’t make your training here in Maine this March; I do hope you’ll be back.
Thanks so much for introducing yourself Antonia. It sounds like you are totally on the right path. Group class students who are “hooked” but would benefit greatly from a little more personal attention are a fantastic pool from which to find your first private clients. I am sad you won’t be able to join our training this March! <3
Wonderful tip, Francesca!
I am newly certified (August 2013) and am focusing on therapeutic yoga, currently teaching a class for cancer patients and working on offerings to those (like myself) with autoimmune issues. I also teach several restorative classes weekly and have several private skype clients, hoping to build my one:one clientele. I can see how this bringing of my energy and setting the tone with gentle instruction before the sessions even begin can be beneficial. I can not wait for more tips! thank you so very much.
You are so very welcome Renee. It sounds like you already have quite a budding practice. Good for you! And thank you for the important work you are doing in the world. <3
Great tip – really succinct – & so useful! I’d be really interested to know how you move your student into the yoga practice if they really want to ‘chat’ at length with you when you arrive – about what’s going on in their lives at that moment?! I guess it’s just about ‘taking control’ at the outset – obviously in a kind nurturing way..
I’m so glad you found it helpful Gail! You are right, to move students into the practice quickly requires you (sweetly and lovingly) take the reins. I do have some specific techniques I use. I think I’ll write a blog post about, so everyone can benefit from the answer! Thanks for your great question.
Thank you for the great tip! I look forward to these classes helping me get started in private yoga instructing. I’ve worked home health in the medical field for 20 years, but I’m finding yoga to be completely different. In a good way! Even more therapeutic than physical therapy. Thank you!
Ah, that is wonderful Ronchie! Welcome to our community. Stay in touch, and let me know how I can support you on your path. <3
Very helpful i’m looking forward to all the help you can give, thank you for sharing your passion and wisdom. I’m a newly certified instructor and have several people asking for private lessons not sure how but I am up for the challenge, yoga has helped me in so many ways
Awesome Jess. I am so happy you are here! Stay in touch, and don’t hesitate to ask questions. XO
Hi Francesca, funny how things turn up just when you need them. Just today I got a booking for my first private lesson and your interview on Elephant Journal turned up on my Facebook page. Don’t you love it?
A question, are all your private lessons at the clients premises. I have a small room, that I do my yoga in. I thought I would invite them here or is that not the idea with a private class?
I love what you are doing?
Karen
That is fantastic Karen, I am also so glad you found me! I do teach most of my clients in their home and office, but that is certainly not the only option. If you have a nice space for people to come to, and those boundaries feel clear to you, I say go for it! XO
Thanks-lot of great info and ideas in a short video loved it thanks so much
A great reminder that we must create and hold space for our students no matter where we’re interacting with them – studio, home, gym! We as teachers set the tone. This video has helped take the intimidation factor out of teaching private sessions. Thank you!
Oh great! You are most welcome. One of the most important things you can do is acknowledge for yourself that a private session makes both the student, and you the teacher, very vulnerable and hold space for yourself as well. <3
I do private and semi-private classes in my own home but this video was helpful because I’m a soft spoken and a little timid. Some of my students are quite the opposite! This is a good reminder to take the reins- it’s OK to be in charge and assertive. I have a session this afternoon, I’ll put these tips to good use! Thanks for offering these videos!
Allison
Awesome Allison! Let us know how it goes! X
Thank you for the advice.
This was really great advice! What a great way for a student’s yoga practice to begin knowing that they’re taken care of right away. Such a great way to set the student at ease, especially for new students. And SO easy for the teacher to do. Thanks for sharing!
You are so welcome Ashley! I’m here– let me know what other questions you would like for me to address! XO
Thanks for your tip Francesca!! I have one private client (I teach at her house) but looking to build this part of my business. I can see how setting the tone and being clear from the get go would be helpful. I will try it next week
Awesome! Let us know how it goes Carrie. X
Hi, I have been teaching privately for about one year and found your comments useful. I am have the opportunity to expand my client base but have been apprehensive in how to create an yoga atmosphere in places that I am not familiar with. Your suggestions give me ideas to set up a structure I can follow wherever I am teaching. Thank you so much!
You are so welcome Margaret! Where are you teaching?
Thx for your video Francesca. I found it very helpful and reaffirming. I have a beautiful new yoga room in my home that can very comfortably hold 3 students plus myself. I am hoping to invite more of my clients here, because it saves me time and money, plus my supplies are already here. My question is, how do I get past the occasional awkwardness of having a male client in my home? Even if my husband or son is at home, but in another part of the house, I’m concerned that it might feel a little awkward to be in a room alone. I’m sure you’ve dealt with this before. What are your suggestions regarding safety, awkwardness, etc.? My first male client is coming this week, and he is bringing his wife with me, and she is going to participate in the lesson. Which is totally fine with me, and may create more of a long-term relationship than if it was just the male client. But what if the spouse doesn’t come along, or no one else is home but me? I only take clients that have been referred by someone else I know. thanks!
Hi Susan! Thanks so much for reaching out and being an active member of our community here! This is a great question, and you are not alone in being curious about this. For starters. I wrote a blog post about staying safe when going to a new client’s home. Check that out here: http://fcyw.wpengine.com/safety/ Your situation is a little different however, because you are teaching in your own home, and you are only taking referrals. {You have an ideal set up, I think!} You can rest assured that you are safe and deal with the awkwardness by…not letting it be awkward! Know that this work requires deep vulnerability of us {the teacher} and hold space for your own feelings there. Then take a strong and confident seat as the teacher, and focus on making your student feel comfortable. I think the second training video will give you some more tips on this. 🙂
Hi Francesca, the blog post you suggested is very helpful. My first session with the client and his wife went well. When they arrived I could see that they both felt a little nervous/awkward, since yoga is new for both of them. I tried to be confident, add a little humor, and explain what they could expect throughout the session. I think the teacher having confidence through out the process is key, but it is a little hard to always have this when private sessions are still a relatively new experience.
I am so glad to hear your first session went well! I totally hear you…it is hard to feel confident when teaching 1×1 is such a new experience. The other thing you are feeling here is the intense vulnerability of being a private yoga teacher, and that never really goes away. Nervousness and vulnerability are all a part of it, and as long as you stay connected to your own experience and keep yourself grounded, you will be able to offer your deepest teachings with clarity, even if you are nervous. 🙂
Very helpful! Thank you. Sometimes it can feel a bit awkward entering someone else’s home and dictate where they should move furniture or should sit, but I agree it is reassuring for the clients to know we are taking charge and want to take good care of them by creating a safe and comfortable space for their practice.
You are really welcome Stefania! And yes, it can definitely be an awkward situation to take the lead in someone else’s home, but if you do it in a really sweet and warm way, that usually lands pretty well. 🙂
Thank you Francesca :).
I’m so excited to try this!
You are so welcome Julia! Let us know how it works for you. <3
Thank you for sharing the gift of your knowledge and experience. I look forward to trying your tip out soon. I’m just getting started as a yoga instructor.
You are most welcome dear Heather. Check back in and let me know how your path is unfolding. XO
Thank you for these simple yet very wise words. I will be teaching some privates in new spaces soon and I look forward to trying this out and having it help me in making the sessions work smoothly and clients fell comfortable and happy from the beginning.
You are really welcome Alexandra! So happy to have you here.
Thank you!!
Yes, possibilities are endless. We can do yoga anywhere.
Thank you for your tips on how to “be” in an unfamiliar space Francesca. The parts that stood out to me the most were: “it’s my job to take care of the client, not their job to take care of me” and also “taking the reigns”. Very helpful 🙂 Theresa
You are so welcome Theresa!
I teach mostly at the local ymca…. subbed at yoga studios for friends and some outside venues for special vents….weekend workshops…etc. But these are groups… and I do a generic practice for all levels. I want to work one on one (that is my goal)… do you meet and talk to people first and then show up at their home, or do you just show up for first session and talk and find out what THEY want? restorative? more vigorous? all breathing? and then go from there? just curious of the actual “getting started” with ‘one on one’. Will your other videos cover other specifics? (like how to handle the money $$$ situation… always seems awkward) even for the groups that I work with. Looking forward to more of your suggestions (even though I’ve been doing yoga for 40 years and teaching for almost 20!) Thank you.
Hi Debbie! I am so happy to have you as a part of my community here! I certainly talk about all of those things. I think you will find many helpful resources on my blog. Here and here are two that will be great to get you started. That blog about money is a three part series, so make sure you read all three parts. Looking forward to staying in touch!
I love your simple yet powerful tips. I am so looking forward to learn more and grow my private practice. Thanks you Francesca.
You are so welcome Rose! Thank you so much for being here!
Hi Francesca,
This video is very helpful. I am just starting out with a niche yoga offering, and knowing how to set up sacred space anywhere is key for me and my practice. I hope to get private clients as well as a class. Both will surely happen in a space other than a yoga studio (since I don’t own a studio). Thank you for your advice! Blessings and Namaste!
You are really welcome Debra! Best of luck as you get started! 🙂
I love the part to have YOU set up the space, so they know you are there for them. Creating the space……….I have taught numerous times in group classes where only 1 or 2 showed and I realized how much I would prefer to teach privates. I have had only 1 actual paying private client and we set up space together, it worked fine, but I like your idea better! Looking forward to learning more about how to go about changing over from group sessions to all, or mostly, privates. Thank you!
That’s so great to hear Jann! So happy to have you here!
This is so helpful—I love it! Thank you so much Francesca.
You’re so welcome Amy! 🙂
Thank you so much Francesca for such a simple yet, meaningful tip. This gives an insight into so many nuances we may neglect. Looking forward to my first private teaching tomorrow
You are so welcome Uma! I am honored to support you. Have fun teaching today! xo
Thank you for this informative video -I like “create the space/container.” I’m a newbie teaching private class, but I think is how I want to share yoga. Looking forward to the next video.
You are so welcome Celia! I’m happy this landed so well with you. Don’t hesitate to reach out if you need support as you continue on your journey. 🙂
I love this! You so succinctly articulated something that I realize I’ve gradually figured out with private teaching — how crucial it is to give enough information, in a calm and friendly way, that the student feels comfortable with what to expect. I will definitely use this next week when I start with a new client!
This video made me realize that I’ve also gotten better at “setting the agenda” for accidental privates (when only one person shows up in what was supposed to be a group class), and these often turn out to feel very fulfilling. (They used to feel awkward, when I was a newer teacher and didn’t quite know how to make the shift to teaching just one person.)
When only one person turns up to class and the start time arrives, I center myself, and go into the studio with a smile and enthusiasm. “It turns out it’s just you and me, today, (name)! I actually really love teaching one-on-one. Have you ever had a private yoga class?” (We might talk about their answer, and I often ask a couple getting-to-know-you questions, if it’s someone who’s not a regular. Or deeper questions if it is a regular. Like, what their practice is like, or how their day has been so far. I like to build some rapport and let them feel that I’m there for THEM, as a person, not just a body.)
Then I set the agenda with something like, “When I work with private clients, it’s often to address a particular physical condition, or dive into the aspect of the practice that’s most relevant to them. For today, we could sort of do this two ways. 1. If there’s a particular body part that’s calling out to you, or a burning question you’ve been working with in your practice, we can take this opportunity to really dive into that. Or, 2. if you just want to sink into your practice, I can teach the class I had planned, and you can come into your own body, even close your eyes, experience the practice, and just feel a little more free than usual to stop me and ask a question if anything comes up.”
Sometimes people choose option 1, and we do nerdy neck alignment or break down chaturanga or work on low back pain. Sometimes they choose option 2 and decide to ask a question, or I notice something and ask a question that opens up a conversation. Or sometimes they choose option 2 and I can tell what they want is to be in their practice without any conversation at all, and that’s what I hold space for. I am happy teaching all of the above, and I really think setting the agenda, as you identified here, is what allows the student to get what they need from the practice on that particular day.
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us, Francesca. I learn so much from you 🙂
This is all so beautifully said Sarah, and I’m so happy this simple message landed so well with you! Your students are very lucky to have you. 🙂
When you have a new private client, do you allot additional time to talk/create space? I have an appointment with a new private student and I’ve never met her before since her Mom has arranged for me to teach her. Thank you! I am so enjoying your podcast!
Hi LJ! I’m glad you are enjoying the podcast! I don’t usually schedule a longer session for the first one/ intake, but I know many people do. I teach 75 minute sessions and when we
meet for the first time I’ll plan to talk for about 20-25 minutes and hear about their history and what are looking to get out of their yoga practice. We still have plenty of time to move and get into the body! This blog post offers a framework for a first private session that you may find helpful! https://www.francescacervero.com/first-session-private-yoga-student/
Don’t hesitate to reach out with more questions. <3
I currently teach in a busy loud gym which can be challenging. Talking over their music and all the banging of weights and loud grunts is definitely a challenge for sure. They have agreed to turn the music down so I have the opportunity to play some beautiful relaxing music in the beginning and in shavasana. And of late some of the ladies in the gym are reminding the heavy lifters that there is a yoga class going on which is also helping. We are slowing creating our little sanctuary. Thank you for your suggestions. Namaste
Thank you for sharing your challenge, Mavis. I’m proud of you for working with the challenges and making the best of it. And I’m really proud of the class for reminding the “heavy lifters” to quiet down. It certainly proves that they are enjoying your class. Bravo to you!
I have a private studio at my house . It is a full blown studio. I am finding it hard to kept my privates to one hour sessions… Any suggestion?
Thank You
That is awesome Yolanda! I have a teaching space in my home, but it is teeeeny tiny. 🙂 When I used to teach most of my clients twice a week, keeping to 60 minutes was easy. When I left NYC for DC and saw most of my clients only once a week I really struggled to keep my sessions to a clean 60 minutes, so I switched to 75 minute sessions and I LOVE it. Also– here is a classic post I wrote about chatting in a private session– if that is an edge for you you may find it helpful. xoxo
https://www.francescacervero.com/chatting/
This was extremely helpful. I am in the process of converting all of my class clients to privates and allowing another instructor to handle to group classes.
You are so welcome Kimberly! I am honored to be able to support your work. Don’t hesitate to reach out with any questions or thoughts. xo
This was so helpful, thank you! I am looking to offer my first private to a dear friend who’s never practiced, knowing it’ll be new for both of us. I finished my 200 in April and am 100 hours into my 300 but have never taught. Eeek! So I thought this might be a good place to start. Thanks so much for offering your experience as a guide…I’m so glad it found your website! xo Michelle
Yay Michelle! I’m so happy to have you as a part of our community here! Good luck with your first private lesson and be sure to check in and let us know how it goes. <3
You’ve made me aware of how little details can really make a difference.
I am so happy to hear that Lisa! Stay in touch and let me know what other questions come up. 🙂
Thanks for sharing, love the idea of creating a container, a safe and nurturing space for each student 🙂
I am so happy that resonates Tara! Let me know if other thoughts or questions come up. 🙂
Nice tip! Although I kind of do this anyway it was nice to hear it clearly how you expressed it. It helped to be more confident with how you can hold space. <3
Wonderful Christina, I’m so happy to hear that! Sometimes just naming things can be so helpful, right? Sending lots of love.
That was very helpful
I’m so happy to hear that!
So helpful! I have a private session next week, first one with this client and only my second one overall, and am quite nervous though excited.. definitely making my way through all of your supports today.
Thank you for sharing your insight!!
You are so welcome and ENJOY. New clients are so scary and SO FUN. 🙂
Francesca, how would you apply this when teaching private clients virtually (via Zoom or other video platform)? Thanks.
This is such a good question, and very relevant right now! There are many more things about our student’s practice space that we aren’t able to control when we are teaching online and that can feel hard. The first thing to do is to make sure we are taken care of, and our space looks grounded and clean. Something as simple as making sure our computer is plugged in is important because we don’t want to have to pause in the middle of class to go get our charger. I think always being in roughly the same place is kind of nice. I once worked with a teacher who was always in a different hotel room for our sessions and I found it a little destabilizing actually. I could tell the computer was on a bed and it bounced when she moved and it was just not super professional in my eyes. I also think we can use a similar “agenda setting” technique in the online space, even if the content is a little different. Especially when we are working with a new student we might say, “okay first, let’s make sure the computer is set up somewhere I can see you well, and then you can have a seat so we can chat a bit, and then we can decide how we want to open your practice and we’ll get you set up for that.” Does that all make sense?